Olivier Mankondo

Olivier Mankondo

Sat, 5/29 7:24PM • 51:54

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SPEAKERS

Jim Moore, Olivier Mankondo

Jim Moore  00:15

Hello, my name is Jim, this is my podcast the bloody vegans. You're very welcome to me. Each week I'll be travelling ever deeper into the world of veganism, discovering along the way a multitude of viewpoints from the political and ethical to the practical. I'll be doing this through a series of conversations, each aiming to further illuminate my understanding, and hopefully yours of all things plant centric, and this week is no different. I'm going to be speaking with Olivier man Kondo speaker, author, weight loss wellness coach, and somebody who really has been through an incredible personal journey, by his own admission when when Olivier discovered plant based nutrition and then ultimately veganism, he wasn't in a great state of health, chronic conditions five and a half stone heavier than he ultimately became and is now and was really sort of speaks to it, you know, we're feeling the effects of the ageing process. And, you know, I don't want to steal too much of Olivier's Thunder because he tells a little bit of his his story obviously, as we as we get into the podcast chat, but it what sort of plant based nutrition did for him in terms of reversing some of those conditions and actually, he described as almost reversing the ageing process is simply incredible and and a real inspiration to many. And he's he's decided to go one step further and take that personal journey and, and use it, use the knowledge that you gained along that that way to support others ultimately, and more power to him. So without further ado, here's a conversation between me and Olivier man Kondo.

Olivier Mankondo  02:13

Yeah, thanks very much for having me. So I would like to give you first of all, a background of my health before I started this weekend journey. So basically, I was suffering from high blood pressure. And as people should not the blood pressure, the high blood pressure is 50%. It's the cause of heart attack and strokes. And this is cause make 50% of the cause of heart attack and strokes. And when you've got blood pressure as well, you can suffer from kidney failures, heart failures, you can add problem with your site, vascular dementia. And I remember even I spent a day and a half in hospital because my blood pressure was too high. And I had headaches every day or every other day. And the headaches were so bad that I had to have some painkillers with me all the time, some paracetamol in my wallet. And I've had lots of dental acts as well. And for example, if I had to comb my hair, you will see dandruff everywhere. It was so bad. I had some chest pain as well. And what is bizarre is that when are those chest pain, hard to drink some coke to calm me down. And I remember one day I was in a shopping centre, and had massive pain in my chest and out to find a place where I could buy a bottle of coke to make it go down. And they're hard as well. Some back pain. And I remember even a week of the week off work because the pain was so bad. And I had some abscesses every single week out to have some abscesses. And my job was painful as well. And I remember even odd to have some X ray done because in my one of my fingers, it was really swollen. And he had some difficulty to move it so I had to have some X ray done. And basically what they did, they just gave me some painkillers and had some heartburn as well. So after most meal to have some heartburn and especially if I was having beans and how to see the dentist all the time, practically every month because with all the sweet stuff that I was eating the candies, cookies and all that so I had really lots of problem with my teeth. And my weight was 15 and a half stone. So and my BMI was 32. So if you have a BMI which is more than 30 you are classified as obese. So basically I was obese. So I was eating lots, all kinds of food. I was eating animal products, dairy product, processed food, fast food, junk food, anything. And I remember even I was eating until midnight. So Admit Card with my bottle of coke with some biscuits or some cookies and stuff like that. And the symptom that I've had, I was always tired. So on my days, that is that how to go to work to take myself out of bed. And on my days off, I was sleeping until one in the afternoon because I was so tired. So at night, I was sleeping, okay, but it was just in the morning, I had no energy. And most of the time I was hot off press is especially one where I was working. I was working in a basement or to climb the stairs all the time. And I remember I was always out of breath. And out always some cold sore every three months, I would say to have some cold sore. And even if people have to see my picture, I had a very big belly. And it was even difficult for me to start doing my lace my shoe laces It was really difficult. And I remember as well wanting to replay tennis because when I was young, I used to play tennis and I even won a trophy. But with the way I was always tired, my joints were painful. My back was hurting if all the time if I was bending or to have some, my hurt, my back was hurting and stuff. And I was starting to see a doctor. And basically the doctor told me that I will have to be on medication for the rest of my life. And I remember that time I didn't know anything about the plant based and all that. But instantly, I said no, no, no, I can't have medication for the rest of my life. And I remember he said because you don't want that I will have to record the conversation so that if something happened to you, I'm not going to be liable for that. Yeah. And he said, okay, you don't want any medication. So what are you going to do? I said, Okay, I will try to do some sport. And I even join karate club, where I tried to do that I thought maybe my blood pressure was caught were going down. But nothing happened. I'll still have that. And I remember for my pain, I was just using paracetamol, ibuprofen. For my heart burns, I was just buying over the counter medication. And for my potential if I use the anti dandruff shampoo for nearly 16 years, because of that. And for my back, my wife used to message me with some Chinese vapour rub on it meant it was maybe two or three times a week because it was so bad. And in 2016 What happened is that I was just watching a programme on YouTube. It was by Indian Yogi, his name is Sadhguru. And he was talking about the art consciously do we eat. And in that programme, it was saying that meat was not designed for the human mechanism. And if we want it to live our life to a highest level, we are to, it was really important to know what we was eating. And if we transition to a plant based diet, we could reduce 70% of our diseases. So I was watching that on a Wednesday. And I said to my wife, okay, I will stop eating meat. On Thursday, I went to work. I came back I asked her to cook for me, my last meal. And on Friday I started and now it's been five years of not start any meat product. That's our my journey was

Jim Moore  08:43

Wow. Wow, what an incredible, incredible story. So I'm fascinated by you know, you've had all of these kind of various health complaints. You've been to a doctor, you've seen this, this video on YouTube. Yeah. Did you? Did you take much convincing that this was gonna be the route that was gonna that was gonna help you

Olivier Mankondo  09:06

know, I just don't know why. But when I watched that video, I was completely convinced that that was the way to go. Because I remember even when my wife was serving the meat, for example, if she will put maybe two or three pieces of meat or chicken instantly I would feel it's like I didn't want to eat anymore. And that's why I told her to just beat if I want to serve meat or meat, she will just have to put one piece. If she put two or three. my appetite was gone already. So when I watched that programme, instantly I knew that that's the way to do that what I had to do, and when I adopted that there was a lot of benefits. So first of all, I lost in the first week I lost 11 pounds, and within nine months, I lost five and a half stone And basically all the chronic diseases that are that are completely gone. I remember four months into changing my diet, I went to the doctor, and he was really surprised that I had no blood pressure anymore. While he told me that I will be on medication for the rest of my life, and he asked me, Why did I do? I said, No, I went vegan. But he just say, okay, that's fine. This, that's what you're doing continue to do that. And I remember even even my blood, my blood sugar went for 40 4041 to 37. Even if I was eating tonnes of fruit, my BMI went from 32 to 22. And like I said, all the dental offs, the Act, the headaches, the the heartburn, every single thing was gone. And with no medication, with no medication at all, and for the past five years have not been sick a single day, not even the call the flu, cold etc. And I've been able to slow down my ageing process as well. So when people see me they think that I am in my late 20s, but I'm actually 51 So

Jim Moore  11:11

yeah, you're looking pretty good on it. I must say, Olivia, what was the the education process like for you in terms of learning about vegan nutrition? So it was a you, you were convinced that it was the way to go. But I imagine you had to find out exactly how to eat and how to look after yourself. What was that process like?

Olivier Mankondo  11:31

Yeah, the professor when I watch that video, that video was really intrigued and especially when I saw that after a week, I lost 11 pounds. And suddenly I started to have a lot of energy. It was not a problem for me to wake up in the morning anymore. And now are starting to read lots of books. For example, I read a book from or not to die from Dr. Michael Greger. I read the book, your health journey from Dr. Fred Vichy. I read the gut awakening diet by a guy called a nice I read again another book, timeless secret of health and rich innovation by Andrea Moritz and are starting to watch a lot of documentary like conspiracy. What's the health starting really, really too deep to go deep into it? So any book that I was talking about the plant based I was watching that it is even a guy who is a raw vegan. His name is Loren Lockman. I've been watching him a lot or Dr. Fuhrman so I really really was going through that path that's how I build up all my knowledge.

Jim Moore  12:44

Yeah, well I mean you've got an absolute treasure trove of knowledge in those those books you mentioned there there's some some fabulous ones I'm fascinated by this this kind of like process of learning you know you've learned all this this this amazing knowledge but I suppose was there thinking about what your diet was before us talking heavily processed lots of sugar lots of animal products was was this like a cold turkey forgive the non vegan pun but was this kind of like a purely cut out on that Friday morning? Was it just no you know I'm gonna eat purely fruit vegetables nuts seeds, lagoons the hot the whole work straight away? Or was there a bit of processed food to eliminate over the course of time that was still kind of vegan but but you know not so good for you

Olivier Mankondo  13:34

know went cold turkey. I went cold turkey because the way I am when I get to take a decision I have to abide to it. So when I say to my wife that I will stop eating meat I said Thursday cooked me my last meal. And on Wednesday on sales around Friday I went cold turkey so I stopped everything the milk, the dairy product, the processed food, every single thing I stopped on that Friday and that's why for example for that we got a lot of detox symptom. For example, I had for three days some massive headaches, I had more cold sore, my hip my john x, even more than than before I had more abscesses. So and that's why you will see that a lot of people when they do that they will when they see all the detox symptoms, they will see okay, no, no, no, I'm certainly I'm missing my pro my mid protein and stuff like that and they will stop. But for me I was so determined to go ahead that I didn't even look at it. And the I remember even my wife was scared. She said no, maybe you have to stop. I said no, because of course I took that decision. I will go ahead and after a week. I everything went back to normal. Yeah, so I went cold turkey straightaway.

Jim Moore  14:54

Well, yeah, that is amazing, amazing stuff. What What did your kind of friends, families, you know, your co Workers, people like that say when you, you know seeing you go from before where you wanted this bottle of coke every so often because you weren't feeling great to kind of, you know, watching this transformation. You know, what was their view when you said Well, it's because I'm vegan now.

Olivier Mankondo  15:14

Yeah. So apart from my wife and my kids and my brother, I think all my extended extended family, my friends, every and friends and stuff. They didn't support me basically. Yeah, there are a lot of criticism, especially because I lost a lot of weight. They told me that I look sickly. It was not good. Men should should be bulky should be big. I look, I don't look nice anymore. And even some people even told me that they thought that I was HIV positive, because I lost so much weight. But I said to them, okay. Some of them even started to discourage me. They said, No, you have to stop what you're doing. It's not good. Maybe all the diseases that you've got all the chronic disease that you've got will get worse and stuff. I said, No, the way I feel. It's great. And it's you will have to get used to see me thing like this, because there's no way I'm going back to that. So I persisted. And today, they can see all the benefit. And some of them try to implement a little bit of this, that at the beginning, it was really, really difficult. And if I was not strong to my position, I would have gone back to eating meat, or even when you go to see friends, family and friends, they don't even know what to serve you. If you go to a restaurant, there's not many choices. So it was a little bit it was not a little bit, but it was really challenging. But because I took that decision, I said, that's the way I'm going to do and no one is going to change my mind. That's how it was the

Jim Moore  17:03

more party get thinking about that period of time 2016 to 2021. There's obviously in this last five years has been a sort of explosion in vegan products, if you like on the on the shelves, there's been a lot of a lot more processed a lot more fast food kind of options in the vegan community and so on so forth. What's your view of those as somebody who's really tackled veganism from a nutritional standpoint, and really captured sort of control over your health? What's your view of this kind of like, you know, this processed food that's kind of creeping into the world of veganism? Do you see as having a place? Or is it something that you hold at arm's length?

Olivier Mankondo  17:46

Yeah, so what I can say for that is that if you treat that as a transition food, at the beginning, that's not a problem. But if that's what you have to eat, day in, day out, I don't think that it's a good option, because at the end of the day, even if they are vegan, they are still processed food. And the human mechanism works on our electrical, we need electric electricity for our body to work, we need micro electricity. And we can only have micro electricity from light food, which is fruits, vegetables, legumes, grains, nuts and seeds. But if we have to eat all this processed food, they are dead food, they can't give you the vitality, or the energy that you need. So if you have to use that, just as a transition food, that's okay. Or if you are, you can use that as a treat, then that's okay. But if we have to eat that day in day out, you will be sick. And that's not the good way to go. And that's why I can see that there are a lot of unhealthy vegans, because that's mostly what they eat. They like lots of processed food, even if you go on, I've got on my Facebook, I'm in a vegan group, and you see they keep posting processed food. So I don't think that that's a good idea if you have to go ahead with just eating process for different if they are vegan, the big need really to eat food. Yeah.

Jim Moore  19:17

Yeah, absolutely. They were, you know, thinking about the again, going back to this kind of this journey of five years. At what point did you decide, Joe what I'm going to tell other people this story, I'm going to become, you know, because now you're successful public speaker, you're an author, you know, you haven't kept this story to yourself, you could have done it, no one would have blamed you for for you know, taking all the health benefits and carrying on as you were, but you know, what kind of made you think you know what this is, this has got to be something I share with others.

Olivier Mankondo  19:53

Yeah, I think it was in 2018 after all the transformation that I saw I saw that normally people think that it's normal that you get sick with age. When I started, I was 46. So as the years was passing by my health was getting better. So I said that no, no, I need to share this wisdom, I need to share the knowledge that I've got, because it's not normal that people have to be sick. It's not normal, it's possible to live a disease free life. And it's in 2018, a study to speak to before that, I was getting all the knowledge. And before after that, in 2018, I decided to start sharing the my knowledge I went to some local churches are starting to speak to my friends are starting to, to go to some local venues to try and share the message. And it's in 2019, that I decided that now I just want this to be now my way of living, to become a public speaker. And to basically live from that, yeah. As he didn't wants to keep all the knowledge for me, because people don't understand how it is to not be sick, it's possible not to be sick. And just if you eat the food designed for the human mechanism, you keep your pH in alkaline state, it's basically basically impossible for you to be sick. And like I said, I've not been sick for single for a single day for five years. But I remember before that every single year, hard to have the flu two or three times a year, but now it's completely gone. So even at that when I was working at my old work, when people were having the flu, I was always the only one who didn't have that.

Jim Moore  21:55

Can you tell us a little bit more about this, this alkalinity, the kind of pH level of foods and you know what that what that kind of means almost. And there's a lot of people, even if they've been on the vegan journey for some time, who, who were listening to this thinking, have heard a little bit about this kind of alkalinity, and you know, I should eat alkaline, etc. But I don't really know what that means, could you could you sort of expand a little bit on

Olivier Mankondo  22:17

that? Yes. So basically, you've got different types of foods, you've got the food that make the body alkaline, and the food that make the body acidic, and the pH the neutral, it's around 7.35. That neutral. And when you eat the food, like fruit, vegetables, legumes, nuts and seeds, it makes your blood alkaline, which means that it will be difficult for the pathogen to develop in that kind of environment. But when you eat things like a dairy product, processed food, meat product and stuff, your pH in your blood will go down. And when it goes down, basically what will happen is that your body your, the pathogen will be able to live in that kind of environment, because your body will not be able to your blood will not be able to circulate the oxygen and an environment where whereas there's less oxygen, there's a place where you will have the cancer cells and all that will be able to thrive. So what you have to do is that you need to eat the fruit, the food, which has got, which will make your blood alkaline, instead of eating those one, which will make your blood acidic because the pathogen only developed in an acidic body. So what you eat is really, really important.

Jim Moore  23:43

I see. So essentially as close as you can get to the whole food, as close as you can get to the original source, the better.

Olivier Mankondo  23:50

Yeah, the better. Because like up to say our body needs macro electricity, and we need micro electricity for the body to work in an optimal way. And why do when you see we'll see that all these foods are live food. Why do I call them live food for example, if you look at a green banana, if you leave it there after a couple of days is become yellow. If that that banana doesn't get eaten after a week or 10 days, then the rotting process starts. So you will see that the banana is leaving it was green, it become yellow, and after a bit the rotting process start. But when you look at animal product, as soon as the animal dies, the rotting process start immediately. Which means that it's a dead food. Or for example you cannot take a piece of chocolate you put that in the soil and expect a tree to grow. No because these are dead food. So we got living bodies. How can you feed a living body with that food, it doesn't make any sense. You need to give your food your body living food and these living food they've got life energy and that will sustain you. So you need always to train Eat as much as possible, like food, that what you have to do if you want to be in good health,

Jim Moore  25:06

I say makes sense. At the beginning of your journey when you were talking about some of these sources of knowledge that you kind of came across. Yeah, you talked about coming across kind of raw veganism. Yeah. And I'd love for you to talk a little bit about that, and how, you know how raw veganism kind of can benefit your health. And if there are any pitfalls to it as well,

Olivier Mankondo  25:30

yeah. Like I said, the, you need to eat as much as possible raw food, because in raw food, you've got less live enzymes. And when you've got like enzymes, first of all, your body will not spend much energy to produce enzyme, because when you eat cooked food, your body need to produce live enzymes to enzymes to be able to digest the food. But when you eat raw food, you've already got all these life enzymes, it's very easy, as well for your body to digest raw food. So it's always better to eat raw food. And that's why for example, for me, like I said, I only eat twice a week, twice a day, at 12. And at seven, that's usually what I do. So in a week, I've got 14 meals. And out of those 14 meals 11 I row, are only eat three cooked meal, just because of that. So I just want my body to expend less energy digesting food, and to not to produce enzymes to digest the food. So when you eat raw food, basically it's it's a better use. So you need to eat as much raw food as possible. That's what we have to do.

Jim Moore  26:44

Yes, say, See, can you Would you mind talking us through like a typical kind of day's nutrition for you? I'm fascinated to know what it what it kind of looks like.

Olivier Mankondo  26:53

Yeah. So what I do, like I say that only eat twice a day. And what do I need it twice a day, because I do what is called intermittent fasting. But I do that differently for other people, other people what they do, they will fast for 16 hours, and they will eat for a window of eight hours. But for me, I only eat twice a day and in between, I don't eat no no snack. Just see if I have to treat maybe just water. That's it. And what do I do that it's because we spend 80% of our energy to digest the food. So if you grazing all day long, even if you are eating plant based, if you are grazing all day long, your body will keep digesting all the time. And you will always spend that 80% of energy. And your body can only eat and repair when it's not digesting food. That's why I spend my time not eating unless it's at 12 and at seven and I eat row. Like I said just to have all these life enzymes. And at midnight is what I'm saying at 12 o'clock are only eat fruit is only fruit every day at 12 it's only fruit, diversity of fruit. Maybe it can be banana, pears, apples and stuff like that. And at night, on the day that I'm not eating cooked food, I will eat again fruit with some salad and the salad will have maybe some lettuce, tomatoes, cucumber on urines and and stuff like that. So the only day where it cooked food it's Wednesdays, Fridays and Sundays. So the other days fruit always at 1212 noon, and at night it's either cooked food or fruit with a salad at our heat.

Jim Moore  28:53

Amazing. And the the typical kind of cooked meals. What do they kind of look like?

Olivier Mankondo  28:58

Yeah, for the cook meals. For example, I can have some quinoa with beans and spinach. I can have some brown rice with mushrooms and courgette or some herbal gene or some chickpeas, lentils, tofu Tempe, so I just try to varied really what I eat.

Jim Moore  29:29

Yeah, also, what Yeah, it sounds incredibly healthy to not know not a processed food in sight. I love it. No, I

Olivier Mankondo  29:37

really don't eat processed food. For example, this month, I've had only ice cream, vegan ice cream and the ones one Coke, one cone of ice cream so that the processed food that I've been able to eat this month. Yes. And I think maybe one burger Obviously a vegan burger. I've done that myself. It's not that. Yeah, that's that's, that's all I really, really eat little of processed food.

Jim Moore  30:11

How about the role of things like, like caffeine? You know, I mean, as a society, we're quite, you know, I know personally, I'm quite heavily caffeinated all the time. And, and I often wonder about its, its detrimental impact upon my health. So I'd love to get your view on kind of where caffeine can fit into a diet or whether it should at all.

Olivier Mankondo  30:34

Yeah, so caffeine, and its classes in the group, because we've got three different types of foods, if you have to look at on the spiritual level, you've got the sentient food, which are the food, vegetables, they're gonna train and nut and seed, and you've got the mutated food, which are chocolate, coffee, tea, and stuff like that, they create restlessness. And they are not good for the mind. But they can, they may or may not be good for the body, but definitely not for the mind. So and on the physical level, if you look at the coffee, for example, it will deactivate your body, it's going to deactivate your body. And what will happen, when your body is dehydrated, it's going to have an effect a diuretic effect. So it's going to make up a lot. And this is not good for your body. So for example, for me, I don't starch coffee, that's a no go no coffee in in my life, because I don't want to make my body in that state. And when you drink that as well, it's going to have an impact in on your liver. So that's, that's not something that I can advise someone to take it.

Jim Moore  31:52

A lady, I've got some work to do, clearly.

Olivier Mankondo  31:56

Definitely.

Jim Moore  31:59

I'd love to hear a little bit about the story of the book. What what kind of made you write a book, and where did you get the inspiration from?

Olivier Mankondo  32:08

Yes, the inspiration, it's only, like I said before, because I the transformation that I went through the weight that I've lost, and the health benefits that I've been able to refer this change, I thought, yes, I can go and speak to people, but the best thing will be to put that on, you know, book, so that people can have that all over the world. And that will be the best way. And one of the best way as well to be able to share what I've been able to uncover during my all this process. So in the book, basically what I'm talking about is I tried to show the specific diet of the human, the human beings, I show that the adverse effect of the the animal product, that their reproductive process food, and I speak in that book, because people keep saying that humans being omnivores. But in the book, I try to show people that we are omnivores, we are not omnivores, we are herbivores, and specifically frugivores. I showed that in the book, and then I speak about my transformation, the process that I went through, and I speak about how the medical establishment establishment deal with the disease. And then at the end of the book, I gave a lot of steps that if people can follow that, they will be able to transform their lives. Just an example. For example, vegans, they use the microwave, most people use the microwave, but what people have to understand is that when you put the food in the microwave, and you press the start button, the molecule forming that food will start moving at an incredible speed. And that movement will create a friction and the friction, friction will create the eat. So when you get your food out there will be cooked or hot. But what people don't know is that the molecular structure of the food will be completely destroyed. So you might as well eat cardboard. And when you eat microwave food, you're going to suffer from cataracts, cancer, heart disease, high blood pressure, reproductive disorders, and then it goes on. So simple things like that, that I've said in my book that people can really transform their lives.

Jim Moore  34:35

So just just simply from using the microwave, so yes, just because of this, this molecular structure of change, yeah,

Olivier Mankondo  34:44

it's completely changed. Yeah, so there are lots of stuff like that, that people can tell you, for example, the water that people drink, you need to filter your water because in the water, you've got a lot of chlorine and a lot of fluoride. People say that the fluoride is good for your teeth, not the floor, it is not good for the teeth, the fluoride is a poison. The fluoride is a poison, it's will, for example, if rodden, it's the fluoride, it's going to kill them, or in this toothpaste, they put fluoride. But for example, the advice that I give people, if they want to use the toothpaste, they need to use the one which, which is fluoride free. So for example, just using to, to, to be able to, to filter your water, this will have an impact on your system, because when you look, you will see that our bodies is 72% water. So we need water, and the quality of your water is will have a bigger impact in your life. So you need to start filtering your tap water, because it's not safe.

Jim Moore  35:57

And what does that filtering process look like? I mean, are we talking standard filters you buy off the off the supermarket shelf?

Olivier Mankondo  36:05

Yes. The one that I've got. It's called the name is pH recharge. I bought it from Amazon. Yeah, from Amazon, it's got three filters inside. And you just put the water inside and you there's like a tap when you can take the water. But other people as well they use reverse osmosis. Which is you can put that under your top. And this is even better. And I'm thinking of maybe upgrading to that kind of filter. Yeah, but the

Jim Moore  36:39

so that's built into it into your tap Yes. solution?

Olivier Mankondo  36:43

Yeah. Well, for example, when I have above, I bought the the the end of the shower, there's the shower thing, the showerhead, the showerhead, though, you can buy a showerhead with a filter inside. Because you can see that our bodies absorb all the water, that when you have a shower your body is your skin will absorb the water. And the water that we use, I've got a lot of chlorine and fluoride. So if you buy that showerhead with a filter inside, then that's something good as well that people can do.

Jim Moore  37:21

They have great, great top tips, and I love them. Thank you love to get back to this point about omnivores, herbivores and frugivores. Yeah, and just just for folks who don't know be good to sort of hear a little bit about, you know, the the thinking behind this idea that we're not actually omnivores at all though. In fact, we're and we're not even really herbivores. We're frugivores. I'd love to hear a little bit more about that.

Olivier Mankondo  37:45

Yeah. When we look, for example, you take a look at carnivores, you will see that they've got two person canines, the incisors are short, and the molars are practically not developed. Because carnivores they've only got one movement in their jaws, they can only cut and swallow, they don't chew the food. So if you pay attention, you look at the cat dog, you will see that they can only swallow. But when you look at herbivores, they have to catch and chew the food. And when you look at us human beings, we have to cut and chew our food just like herbivores. So in this instance, you can see the similarity between human beings and herbivores. And yet, if you look at carnivores, as well, if they want to drink water, they lick up their water. With herbivores, they soak up the water. And this is exactly what we human beings we do, we soak up the water just like herbivores. So again, here you can see the similarity between human beings and herbivores. And when you look at carnivores as well, their pants, and that's the way for them to regulate the temperature, that herbivores they sweat to their skin. And this is exactly what we human beings we do, we sweat through our skin, again, another resemblance between human beings and herbivores. And when you look at carnivores, as well, they've got the gestation period is 15 weeks or less. So for example, for a wolf to have carbs, it's gonna take nine weeks, for a cheetah, it's 13 weeks, and for a lion, it's 15 weeks. But when you look at big herbivores, the gestation period, it's 34 weeks or more, for example, a cow to have a calf, it's gonna take 40 weeks. For a horse, it's 47 weeks. For a giraffe, it's 60 weeks. And for the human beings, it's 40 weeks. Again, the human beings falls in the category of big herbivores and not carnivores. So you can see that carnivores they've got the shorter gestation period and multiple birth. So for example, a lioness will have multiple cubs and one goal and when those cubs are born, they are blind. They will start seeing after a week or two weeks, but when you look at big herbivores, they've got single birth. For example, a cow will have one calf an elephant will have one calf, and when those calves are born, they are not blind, they can see straight away. And when we look at us human beings, we've got single birth as well, rarely rarely twins, and when our babies are born, they can see straight away just like herbivores. As well you will see that for carnivores because when we eat meat, it gets transformed into uric acid. And that's why you will see that currently was difficult, very powerful kidneys to get to, so that they can get rid of that uric acid. But for human beings, we haven't got that powerful kidneys. And there's an enzyme which is called Tallinn. That enzyme enable the digestive process to start in the math region. And only human beings and herbivore said God that no carnivores have got that enzyme. So again, here you can see the simulated between human beings and herbivores. And when you look at currently was as well, you will see that today, gastric acid in the stomach, it's 20 times stronger than human beings. Because like I said, they don't carnivals, they've only got one movement in the jaws, they can only cut and swallow. So they have to have powerful stoma casie, to be able to digest to form the bonds and all that. But for us human beings, we can only digest 20% of the meat. And if you look for example, at the gorilla, we should 99% of the same DNA. But what do gorilla eat, they eat fruit, vegetables, and tender roots, they do not eat meat. So outcome we should 99% of the same DNA, which means that that digestive tract are practically the same, that gorilla do not eat meat. So from that you can really see that human beings, they've got nothing in common with the carnivores, nothing in common. We are herbivores, and especially for givers. And another example that they can give. For example, let's say they put you in a very big enclosure, they put you with the goat inside the lifeboat, okay. They tell you that you will stay in that enclosure, they give you more tools. And they say that for two weeks, you will stay in that enclosure and that goat will be your food. I'm sure if we come back after two weeks, you'll be starving to death. Because with your bare hands, you're not going to be able to kill that goat, you're not going to be able to eat it. Which means that we are not designed to eat meat. But you do the same experiment you put a tiger inside, it's going to be a fit for him. So we are not biologically designed to eat meat. Definitely.

Jim Moore  42:21

By it makes perfect sense when you lay out like that it just appears perfectly obvious.

Olivier Mankondo  42:25

Yeah. Yeah, that people keep saying that we are omnivores, we are not. And even when you look at the digestive tract, you will see that carnivores they've got very short intestines and caught an error because they've got very long intestine and when you look at us human beings, we've got long intestine, which are nine metres or 27 feet long. And why do we have very long intestine and carnivore the shortest distance is because when you look at the meat, let's say for example, you eat fruit, it takes between three and four hours to pass to a system. If you eat raw vegetables, it takes between 12 hours around 12 hours to pass to our system. If you eat cooked vegetables, it takes between 24 and 30 hours to pass to our system. But if you eat meat, fish or chicken, it takes 72 hours or three days to pass to our system. So mid passes to the system very slowly. That's why cardi was got very short intestine which are roughly three times the length of their bodies. But meat, fruit and vegetables passed to the system very quickly. That's why human beings and herbivores they've got longer intestine, and usually herbivores their intestines are six times the length of their bodies. So we are completely different from carnivores is nothing in common.

Jim Moore  43:48

Specifically for for folks who don't perhaps know quite the distinction so a frugal versus a herbivore. what's what's the difference there? And why, in your view, would humans be classed as specifically a frugal Moreover, you mentioned their locker a gorilla that might be more considered a herbivore?

Olivier Mankondo  44:06

No, no, I think Korea Korea falls in the category of frugivorous approval. Yes. Okay. So when you look at the difference between a frugivores and an herbivores is that the herbivores they entirely eat grass, or boil it and stuff like that. And usually you will see that they've got maybe three or four stomachs or something like that worked. For us human beings, we are the primary source of fuel for human beings, this fruit, and then we can add some tender leaves. For example, if you have to eat kale or broccoli, it's really hard for the human system to digest that that we have. It's better to when it's cooked, but if you have to eat let the lettuce it's really tender. That's That's fine. And that's what usually what the gorilla eats tender routes or tender leaves and mostly fruit so I diet for human the human mechanism is mostly fruit because that's the the fuel the primary source of fuel for the human mechanism

Jim Moore  45:17

like it makes makes perfect sense love to get your perspective on on organic food versus kind of the the sort of the shop bought fruit vegetables you know is organic foods something that in your advice would you would be your advice for a optimal kind of diet?

Olivier Mankondo  45:35

Yeah, definitely the organic is better, because we the organic, they don't use pesticides, they don't use herbicide, they don't use all these things. They don't they let's do food, the fruit grows normally naturally, instead of putting lots of stuff so that it can grow very quickly. And then they can sell it. So definitely the organic fruit is the best options, the best option always. But if you're not able to buy the organic, then you can buy the normal fruit which is a lot better than eating an animal product to be because not being able to afford organic fruit doesn't have to deter you from going into this plant based diet. If you cannot afford the organic fruit just buy the normal fruit. I'm sure the with the the wisdom or the intelligence that the human body has got some way or another your body will be able to get rid of most of these toxins. Yeah, so definitely organic is the first choice.

Jim Moore  46:44

Absolutely, yeah. alleviate for folks who are sort of Trent transitioning over, you know, and perhaps finding it kind of a little tough. I imagine us in you know, in your line of work, you speak to a lot of people who are in exactly this space. What's your kind of advice for those people who haven't perhaps got the same fortitude you had to almost overnight decide that's it for me, you know, what, what's your advice on that transitional period?

Olivier Mankondo  47:13

Yeah, what I usually advise people is not to go cold turkey like me. Yeah, I don't advise people to do that. Because if you have been eating really, really bad, if you go cold turkey, you will have a lot of bad symptoms, because that's how the human mechanism get rid of all these toxins, it will make you sick. And usually when you even when you're you've got all these detox symptoms, it's really, really counterintuitive to go and buy some over the counter medication that you can take to stop the symptoms now, that's why if I have to advise people is to go step by step. So for example, instead of eating meat, seven days in a week, maybe they can start doing five days. And then maybe after three weeks or a month, they can go down to three days. So they can go as little steps. Now for example, if they used to have milk every day, for example, they can get the vegan plant based milk, for example, they can do that choice. And even if you go to some shop like Tesco Morrison, you'll be able to find some nice plant based dairy product. For example, the cheese that was made from plant, we can have those alternative or if you still want to continue, but we can still decrease those stuffs. And for example, for the process food instead, for example of buying a bottle or a can of beans. just tried to cook that yourself. So you can implement small changes like that. And over time it's going to build all over and you will see that your health will be transformed. So definitely I will ask people to go step by steps. Yeah, definitely.

Jim Moore  49:10

Amazing. That Olivia has been a fascinating chat with you have learned I've learned an awful lot for folks who would love to get in touch with you and I'm sure there'll be there'll be many or maybe pick up a copy of the book. Where do they go about going?

Olivier Mankondo  49:27

Yeah, if they want to know more about me they can go on my website, which is Olivia mankato.com. That's only Viet mankato.com where they will be able if they want stick and ever look at my online weight loss and wellness programme they can have a look at it. They can if they want to buy my book, they can go on Amazon, it's on Amazon, they can buy that over there and they can as well. If they want to know more about all the my knowledge they can go on my YouTube channel, I speak about all the stops, but the plant base about the diseases, like for example, the constipation, about the diabetes, diabetes, high blood pressure I speaker distanza lots of videos that I've done that people can watch and they will be able to increase their knowledge.

Jim Moore  50:22

Amazing. Well, I'll put some links in the show notes as well for folks to hopefully, direct them towards you. But yeah, like I say, Olivia, thank you so much for your time. It's been been a real education for me.

Olivier Mankondo  50:35

Okay, thank you very much for having me. I really appreciate it. Thank you.